Sneak harassment: when can I say something?

July 16, 2012 by Ashley

Protestors against street harassment in Washington DC. Image from sarah-graham.co.uk

I don’t remember the first time I properly started to think about (street) harassment and how it affects me. It might have been this excellent post by @pleasedonteatjo, or this totally fabulous example of solidarity from @laurenbravo. Either way, until recently, I’d always just ignored it. Accepted it. Let it slide. But since we’ve been talking about it more, I’ve started to get annoyed. I’ve started to get really bloody angry. Because it’s not okay to treat a woman like she’s nothing more than the sum of her orifices. And nine times out of ten, that’s what street harassment is. It’s not a friendly man complimenting you on your fine choice of lipstick – it’s a bloke saying something creepy under his breath just as you walk past him; it’s a group of lads yelling ‘suck my cock’ from a passing car; it’s the nutter in a corner shop, telling you to bend over.

It’s not okay, and it’s scary as shit. I’ve finally gotten the confidence to actually start shouting back (though only in crowded places and/or broad daylight – it would be stupid to put yourself in actual danger by provoking the wrong person). Having witnessed @alice_emily in a spectacular moment where she told off two harassers on Charing Cross Road, I’m now in full support of reacting angrily.

But what about the times when you can’t really shout back? I was at a bit of a mental house party a couple of weeks ago. I only knew a handful of people, and I was having a good time catching up and snaffling a lovely G&T. As the night went on, the party got busier and the pupils of the people around me got wider. I was standing by the bathroom at one point, when an absolute scrotum of a man walked past me and full on brushed my left breast with his hand. Not an actual lengthy grope, but a distinctive, single stroke down the length of it. I jerked, stunned and did a sort of ‘what the fuck’ gesture with my arms, but he was already gone. I stood there for a second, wondering if anyone else had seen. They hadn’t. I felt indignant but sort of helpless. There was no chance for me to chase after him and berate him – after all, it could have been an accident (it wasn’t).

Later, that same man pushed past me again and this time, did the exact same stroke-as-he-walked-past right up my bum cheek. Again, I felt immediately very uncomfortable and I think I actually said ‘what the fuck’, but he was already off and away. I mentioned it to my boyfriend, who wanted to know who it was. I didn’t tell him, because picking an argument with someone who’s high off their ass on coke and already bug-eyed is never going to end well. I told myself if he did it again, I would crush him (drunk me may be a bit of a drama queen). Thankfully, we left shortly after. I continued to seethe.

I’ve talked about harassment a lot with my boyfriend, who is always horrified. He never sees it. We joke that he’s my talisman, because it does (obviously?) happen less when he’s with me. But the following day, we were walking down the escalator at a tube station, me with my maxi dress hitched up so I don’t get sucked in and vaporised, and it happens. Just as I walk past an older man in a suit, he says ‘lovely legs, sexy lady’ with a weird, hungry smile. I am instantly annoyed, throwing a ‘fuck off’ over my shoulder. As I get off, I turn to the boyfriend. “There! Did you see that?!” He didn’t. Because it was sneaky. It wasn’t a man in a hard hat yelling ‘tits’ while hanging off some scaffolding – it was a fairly ordinary looking businessman saying something quietly when I am less than a foot away from him. It’s not street harassment – it’s sneak harassment.

Last week, on the District line, I put my hand up to hold the rail above me. It wasn’t particularly crowded and there was lots of room. The man nearest me put his hand on the rail too, touching mine. I instinctively moved mine a few inches along. He moved his along so our hands touched again. I moved along again. He followed. Then put his foot against mine. Everytime I moved, he would follow. I became so uncomfortable, that I switched carriages. Should I have said something? What am I meant to accuse him of? Excuse me, strange man, but please stop harassing my phalanges with your sweaty palms? Please don’t put your hushpuppies near my pumps? Please don’t breathe on me when there is clearly several feet of empty space around both of us?

I have no problem at all with chatting to strangers, or a stranger complimenting someone on the way they look. I know a couple that met on a tube, another that met in a lift. It’s perfectly okay to speak to strike up a friendly chat with a perfect random. But it’s not cool when you’re subtly putting that person in an uncomfortable position. Deliberately pressing your crotch into someone on a crowded tube is not only unacceptable, it’s icky. Kind of like when your cat presents you with a dead mouse. But it’s hard to find the balance between telling someone you’re uncomfortable, and making things really bloody awkward. As Brits, awkwardness is just something we don’t do. I hate it. And when I can call out harassment, I do. But when it’s sneaky, you know the person’s getting off on the fact that you can’t say anything. They’re getting away with it in broad daylight, because you risk embarrassing everyone on the train if you actually say something, or wrongly accuse someone. It’s a social-political nightmare.

So what do you do? My boyfriend suggests staring them down, but honestly, if someone’s creeped me out, the last thing I want to do is look them in the eye for any length of time. I’ve thrown a few casual glares around, but is it enough? How can we fix a problem when it’s barely on the radar? Or do we just have to get on with it? I don’t want to have to accept that sneak harassment is something that just happens. I want a solution! So, any ideas?!

Ashley is the editor of teamawot.com and thus is not used to writing her own bylines. As well as working in communications, Ashley runs a little food blog, called Peach Trees and Bumblebees. You can also find her other, oft-neglected blog here, where she muses on issues ranging from Nectar cards to wanking. Usually not in the same post. She’s also on Twitter.


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afternoon_twee 5 pts

(...cont'd)

 

The thing that get me most worked up about this whole thing though is the fact that my friend came up to me later and told me that he'd warned these guys off for me and explained who my other half was, which in places like this where there's a small expat community, should do the trick. Sweet and all, but why the hell should having a known boyfriend be the only deterrent for these guys? Or heaven forbid, what should happen if I were a (gasp) single woman, without the threat of an angry man to protect her?

afternoon_twee 5 pts

Thankfully I've never had to deal with anything like some of the things I've seen retweeted on the AWOT twitter account today, but I did find myself having to deal with a complete moron on Friday night that still has me quietly seething whenever I think about it.

 

I've just recently settled in Lusaka in Zambia (my boyfriend's hometown), and was out with a close male friend of ours who had offered to be my escort/chaperone for an evening out on the town, as I don't really know many people here and my fella was keen to have a gaming night with some other mates. I was queuing by myself at the bar when I realised there was a big group of men behind me, who were flinging woo in my general direction ('hey baby, hey.... baby, hey, can you hear me... turn round...?' Erudite non?) This progressed to light pawing of my ass and stroking of my hair, and no amount of tutting, death-stares over the shoulder and eye-rolling was delivering the message to them that this would not be tolerated. So after about 5 minutes of this when one of them actually grabbed my ass HARD which hurt like a bitch, I turned around, got his hand in a deathgrip and told him that if he did that again, I would personally break all of his fingers. To which he replied, "Can I buy you a drink?" Persistant, yes. Intelligent, definitely not. (...cont'd)

 

 

 

OliverJ0 5 pts

 afternoon_twee You live in Lusaka? That's crazy, my friend recently moved out there to be with HER bf, dunno if you've heard of R&G events but she goes out with one of the organisers

afternoon_twee 5 pts

 OliverJ0 NO. FREAKING. WAY. I'm meant to be meeting the guys from R&G this week to discuss maybe doing some social meeja type work for them!! Is it R or G she's going out with?

OliverJ0 5 pts

 afternoon_twee R, although she's back in Blighty atm, so you won't meet her this week. But she helps run some of their events so if you do end up working with them I'm sure you'll meet! DM me on twitter if you want to be put in touch.

melanieysabel 5 pts

Lately, along with general rudeness in public and on public transport, I have been mustering the courage to "call out" harassment, however large, or small. I like to think that even if I make one person question whether what they did was socially acceptable I will be happy... of course to pull such a move in public the offender obviously doesn't get embarrassed easily but it makes me feel better to make those around me aware. Although, it doesn't make those other times OK, I think speaking up when I can, makes me feel a bit better for the times I can't... 

ActuarialChris 5 pts

I'm not sure it's necessarily a good thing to challenge, especially if you're a woman on your own.  Neither am I sure there's any obvious solutions to weirdos and creeps, they'll probably always be there sadly.  However maybe if more normal non creepy people are aware of it and support the person who calls it out on a tube or train or whatever that might help?  If you're more sure people around you will support you telling the perv in no uncertain terms to leave you alone, then maybe more people will do so and then maybe this will be less common?As a chap I had no idea it was so common, nobody has ever harassed me in the street (bar a transvestite in manchester once when I was lost but that's a whole other story!) or shouted things at me as I walked by.  I do think though that if more people pay attention and look out for it that maybe that's the other way of stopping it.  Maybe if enough people look out for each other and try to teach people to be respectful of others or being honest just to have some good manners (this annoyed me so much recently I actually blogged about it here http://actuarialchris.wordpress.com/2012/06/27/good-manners/ ) would be nice then at least the problem might reduce. 

 

Failing all that as others have said a knee to the groin would definitely slow them down!

Becca_DP 5 pts

In that situation, I think I would have looked directly at him and said "stop touching me." I used to be all awkward about calling people out, but fuck it: you're not gonna see the other people on the train again, so even if you do make the atmosphere weird for a few minutes, it doesn't matter...?

 

Once, I ccidentally *was* that guy, though: I was stood next to my boyf on the tube, and I was holding the overhead bar. I shifted my hand and stroked his hand...then realised he was holding on to a side bar. And the bloke next to him sort of went "erm, ahem, sorry, I er....." and I almost DIED. Obviously, your guy wasn't mistaken, though...

hollyjunesmith 5 pts

I'm very fortunate that I can walk most places in London and have an air of ignorance that constantly wearing headphones affords me. Therefore I've had very few experiences of harassment in my six months in London though one sole moron has made me increasingly wary on the underground. Not long after moving here I sat on a relatively empty platform waiting for a train and became aware of a man in his fifties stood staring directly at me, his back to the platform. He didn't say anything, I pretended to be absorbed in my phone and as the train pulled in I stood up and walked briskly to the far end of the platform to lose the creep. I sat down, settled into my seat then realised he was sat opposite me, still staring. This was a Saturday morning, there were only a handful of people in each carriage. No matter which way I slice it that behaviour was not normal and ever since I'm very wary of who is around me on the train. I'm not sure what I could have done, particularly if he'd gotten off when I did and followed me further.

caztellations 12 pts

I'm fed up with harassment. I totally support the 'strike back' strategy, mainly because i dont know what else to do. Once in a club a guy touched my bum. I turned around and hit him repeatedly with my bag. Security saw me doing it and didn't do anything cos they had seen what he'd done... It was my friends who had to stop me from actually injuring the drunk bastard. I've never hit anyone since but I do always challege innapropriate comments.

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OliverJ0 5 pts

I genuinely lol'd at Assalino's comment. While kneeing people in the balls might be an overreaction (to some circumstances) I'm not sure what other constructive advice anyone can give. Or at least any guy who hasn't experienced any of this and so has no anecdotes about times they've stood up and it's worked.Certainly if creepy people started receiving knee to ball justice they might start thinking twice before creeping! (I'm now singing Lonely Island's "Do The Creep" in my head) 

ashleyfryer 9 pts

 OliverJ0 "knee to ball justice" just caused me to laugh so hard I nearly had a seizure.

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OliverJ0 5 pts

 ashleyfryer It's a form of justice sadly missing from our legal system!

assalino 5 pts

Accidentally push your knee against their crotches ;)